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Love Unstoppable - Week 3

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Dina, Julie, and Kate talk about why inviting someone to church can feel so hard—and why it matters more than we think. They share simple, practical ways to overcome fear, build real relationships, and take small steps to include others in faith.

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Welcome And Fun Chore Confessions

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings podcast, where we dive a little bit deeper into our message series and see what we're taking Beyond Sunday. My name is Dina Newsome, and I it's Ladies' Day today. No boys allowed.

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead, say hello. Julie Easley, Executive Director. Kate Solberg Northworth Northwest Campus.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I I have an odd question for you today. You know, um, I don't know if you guys know this, but Friday of this week is National Hug a Plumber Day.

SPEAKER_04

Oh weird.

SPEAKER_00

Just make your plans now to celebrate that. However, in light of that, I was thinking, since we're all ladies, what is your stereotypical male type chore that you really love doing? Do you have one? Or maybe one that you really hate doing? I freaking love mowing the yard.

SPEAKER_01

Is that a male job?

SPEAKER_02

I think stereotypical, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I do, I do. Oh it's like Zen yoga for me, like just back and forth. It actually was like a way I would escape from my children, like when they were annoying me. I mean, not when they were really little, but if I was in the yard, they could see me, but they wouldn't come out and bother me because they knew I'd probably give them a job to do to help. Yes. So it was a way to kind of like just give me a little, you know, 45-minute parenting break.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

But yet still be responsible adult.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. I don't know. I'm kind of a princess. There's there's not there's not much manual labor I enjoy. Um does driving my car through the car wash cow. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

All right. I love doing that.

SPEAKER_03

I love doing that.

SPEAKER_00

I'm um, I like mowing the lawn too. Well, I I will say I don't love, I may not say I love mowing the lawn, but I don't mind mowing the lawn. Yeah. I can remember um friends saying, why isn't your son mowing the lawn? And I'm like, because he does the cat litter and I would rather do this.

SPEAKER_03

You must really hate cat litter. That says a lot about the cat. All right.

Love Unstoppable And The Call To Invite

SPEAKER_00

So we are in week three of Love Unstoppable that Pastor Greg Griffith has been taking us through. What did you what are you guys taking beyond Sunday from this week's message?

SPEAKER_03

Invite, invite, invite. That's probably the I mean, just like it makes it reminds me of the importance of doing that. And I was just struck by the, I mean, that statistic like is so high of people who would go to church if you invited them. And how few of us are availing ourselves of that opportunity. So it that kind of just felt like a smack in the face when I heard it.

SPEAKER_01

I think one of the things that stood out to me was just like, I think Greg said he had a mullet.

SPEAKER_00

And you couldn't focus on anything after that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I just I was trying to picture that with his buddy Mike sitting on the curb, and it's just kind of a real sweet picture, the two of them, and just having a random chat that neither one of them planned on having. So that's the image in my head. Yeah.

Invitations That Changed A Life

SPEAKER_00

One of them. I really like um towards the end of the message. Greg was like, just come. It doesn't matter, just come. Like it over and over, he said, just come, blah, blah, blah, blah, just come, blah, blah, blah, just come. Like that, yeah, was repeating in my head. Okay, can you think of a example in your life where a personal invitation led to a transformation? And how did that process unfold?

SPEAKER_03

I remember when I was um a senior in college and I was um applying all over the country to um be a teacher. And I received a call from, and at the time I was going to I was going to college in Michigan, and I got a call from a school in Philadelphia, and they said, we'd love to have you come out and interview. And I did that. I got the job. That's where I met my husband, and my entire life changed because of that invitation to come out and interview for that job.

SPEAKER_01

I thought about college too, actually. Um, I went to the University of Kansas and live lived in an all-girls dorm. You know, most of us in this age group can maybe remember that experience. Like all of a sudden, meeting all these same-aged, um, my dorm was all girls, so dorm full of girls, and um, they end up becoming your best friends because it's your new little family. And there was a girl that lived across the hall from me, and we ended up becoming pretty close friends. And I would describe her as what Greg said, a fan of God. And so religion was very much like a checklist for her growing up. She never knew it any other way. And through that freshman year, living across the hall from each other, um, I've always like d described myself as a Jesus freak. And so, you know, she would see that I my faith was different than what she had experienced. And um, you know, we didn't, we didn't spend a lot of time together after that freshman year, but she ended up meeting her husband in college. And then when she got married, she asked me to be her maid of honor. Wow. And I was like, wow, that's I'm like so flattered. And she said, um, she told me that because of our friendship, she had come to know Jesus in a personal way. And it made such a difference in her life. And so that was a blessing to me. That's incredible. And we're still friends. Like she lost it. Yeah, she was actually came up to Omaha. She lives in Lawrence still and she visited me a last month. So that's super cool.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I, when my daughters were young, um, we were standing outside. I was standing outside of their elementary school waiting to pick them up so we could walk home. And my daughter came out and said, Hey, mom, my my friend is going to the park. Can you go to the park with them? Can we go to the park to with them together? Okay, I didn't really know this girl. We were fairly new to the neighborhood still, you know, and the mom came over. Oh, yeah, we're going to the park. Come on, let's go to the park. That woman became my best friend. Still, I would say, is my best friend. She lives in Colorado now and no longer lives here. But um, and the the most interesting part for me was we came from very different backgrounds, like as far as our faith, but we both had very similar parenting styles, and we were both stay-at-home moms at that time when we first got to know each other. But I have will say I have had some of the most interesting and most challenging spiritual conversations with her. She's not a Christian. Um tells me that she would love to have that relationship in her life, but can't get over the hump of fully believing. And that just leads to so many interesting conversations and random questions that she feels comfortable enough to ask me because we're so close, um, just as friends. And it's just a very interesting. I have invited her to church many times. She has come often, um, but just not a regular, like it's still, I yeah, I'd say she's a fan of God, you know. Yeah. But it was just, can you go to the park? Sure.

SPEAKER_03

You want a new best friend? Yeah. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Um, so the sermon mentioned, you kind of mentioned the statistic, that 82% of people would attend church if invited by a friend, yet only 2% of Christians do the inviting. Why do you think this discrep discrepancy exists?

SPEAKER_01

We tell ours ourselves all kinds of crazy things. Like it'll be offensive. They already are busy. Why would I add one more thing? I mean, we have so many reasons why we shouldn't that really don't amount to much. We assume things, I guess.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, it'd be hard for me to speak for anybody other than myself as to why it's been challenging sometimes. I think it's easy to share about, like, say, an a new restaurant you love, because if somebody doesn't like it, the stakes are fairly low. But sometimes when our faith is really integral and precious to us, it feels like you're putting a treasure out there that could be rejected. And that can be painful. I don't think it's because it's unimportant to me, but because it is important and it feels risky. And I think probably we're getting more risk-averse as a society. And so it can feel hard to put yourself out there. I'll I'll say that for myself when I've felt hesitancy. That's usually the reason why.

SPEAKER_00

That's really good. I think that's true, probably for a lot of people. I it just seems very intimidating to me. It's it's yeah, that risk of, oh, well, are they not going to be my friend if they do come and don't like my church? Or if they just don't come, does this become the elephant in the room? But I will say, when I've gotten over it and have invited people, I have a hundred percent success rate. I've never had someone say, no, I'm not coming. How stupid is that? Like, don't talk to me anymore. They may not have come and continued coming, or they may not have grown in their relationship with Christ in the way that I might hope, but they've always at least come once. Oh, wow, that's great. I feel like that's that's my initial hump. You know what I mean? Then there's part of them letting Jesus in and they're, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Practical Ways To Invite Well

SPEAKER_00

And so I don't know why, knowing that, okay, 100% success rate, Dina. Go ahead and invite somebody else. And it still is so intimidating to do. Yeah. What are some practical ways that we can overcome the fear of hesitat hesitation in inviting someone to church or just into a spiritual conversation?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I wrote down one thing that I really appreciated Greg saying was um gauge your invitation after listening about what's going on in others' lives. So um, and that's something we can all do. We can all take time to hear how someone's doing or what's going on in their lives. And a lot of times people won't share unless you ask certain ask the questions. And it's more than just like, how are you doing? It's, you know, once you're around people, you start to see, oh, do they have kids? Do they have a spouse? And so just learning to ask good questions leads to more intimate conversation. It's more likely to go down a spiritual path. That's what I found in my experience.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think that that's really good. So people are a means to an end, like I need to, I need Pastor Greg told me I needed to invite. Therefore, hey, you let me invite you, right? And they're like, ah, I don't know you that well. This is weird. Um, spiritual conversations for me are have never been a big challenge. I I don't know. I just think that that's interesting to talk about and doesn't feel for some reason as high risk as inviting people to church. Now I have invited people to church, and unlike you, I've had I've had a number of turndowns. Some people are like, yep, thanks, but no thanks, or I'll think about it. So there has been a number of those things. I think the practical thing that I do, this sounds, this sounds weird. Like right before I ask, I just kind of view it like I'm gonna hold Jesus' hand and jump into this cold lake. And like he's with me and just do it. And it you're gonna survive. It may be uncomfortable for a minute, but like God's with you in it, and just jump in and do it. Especially, here's the thing if the Holy Spirit is prompting you to do something, you best do it because that keeps your spiritual sensitivity up. If if the Holy Spirit's like giving you these nudges and you just keep saying, not gonna do it, not gonna do it, not gonna do it, he's gonna say, you know what? I'm gonna leave you to what seems to be your decision on this right now. I'm gonna stop bothering you about that. And and we're talking to you about that, not bothering you, talking to you about that. So I I would just encourage you, if you feel a nudge, take it. It's a way of saying, Jesus, I really do want to partner with you in your work in the world.

SPEAKER_00

So I think it's interesting. Look what I wrote down. Just what you said. Just do it. Totally Nike that out. And yes. I think sometimes that's the only way you can. It is jumping in cold water and just getting over whatever the hesitation or the problem is. I think of what you were talking about, Kate, about you know, asking the right questions and getting, you know, to know them before the invitation. I think that kind of talks about, we talked about it last week when Greg was talking about don't ask them what to pray for. You know what I mean? Like when you're trying to include them, just tell them what you're praying because they don't know the quote unquote right answer to give you if they don't have that in their life already or if they're not familiar with prayer. And so an invite is kind of the same thing. An invite to church does feel different to people than an invite over for dinner or, you know, let's go to the park together or whatever it is. So knowing that they may be ready to receive it. We're not just walking up to people on the on the street, hi, want to go to church? Hi, my name's Gina.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think that might be a little intimidating in a different way.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

So Greg used the term country club Christianity when he was talking about um circles of Christians. What does this mean and how can we resist this mentality within our churches?

SPEAKER_01

I heard a message about this, and this is gonna sound weird when I say it, but I'll explain why it sounds weird. But I heard a lesson about avoiding becoming a fat Christian. And when I say fat, where you're consuming, consuming, consuming, you're in the Bible study, you're going to church, you're singing the hymns, you're da-da-da-da-da, but there's no output. You know, you're eating that meat and potato scripture meal, but you're not expending any of that goodness. And and we don't, and that's a country club. A country club is all about like putting your feet up, getting weighted on, and spoon feeding you some, you know, goodness. And that that I don't think that's that was Jesus' idea of the church. You know, um, the Great Commission is, you know, those were his message. That was our his message to us before he left, you know, now go, you know, making disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. We're to go and to be watchful daily. There are going to be some time, some relationships you have that are so momentary. My daughter and I were traveling last week, and we had this, we had two great conversations with Uber drivers. And one was a retired police officer. And I just said to him, and he was a police officer from South LA County. Oh, wow. And I was like, oh man, I'm glad you're so alive, sir. And I just said, you know, I just felt a prompting in my spirit. I said, you know, I bought I've had to call the police twice, and both times I was so well cared for by the police. And and um, I can't, you know, I know that sometimes in our society people gripe about the police. I said, but I can't imagine a society where we didn't have police officers. Isn't that true? And he went on to ask, you know, well, why did you do it? And I was like, oh, and my daughter's like, oh no. You know, but I just briefly told him one situation that wasn't, you know, too traumatic. But um he's like, wow, that turned out good. Like, how did that turn out well? And I said, Well, I'm a Christian, you know, and I believe in the Lord, and I really think there's no other explanation other than the Lord save me that day. And um, you know, he was real quiet, but I didn't expect that to happen. Right. Right. And the the Lord gives us opportunities, and that's where we have to be watchful and allow and you know, allow that person to reveal some things about themselves and try to connect and watch what the Lord does. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_03

When I think of a country club, I just think about people who are all pretty much in the same boat. Like we're probably making about the same amount of money, we value the same types of things, we have access to certain resources, and that's and then everybody that falls outside of that doesn't have an opportunity to participate. So Greg's saying, like, if you say to yourself, I just know other Christians, you have to think about like, how can I put myself in situations where that's not the case, like intentionally placing myself in the company of people who don't believe. And so I'm not just swimming in the exact same waters all the time. So I would just encourage people, if if you really feel like, man, I hardly know anybody who's not a Christian like I am, or lives a similar life to I do, I would yeah, think about where could I go to put myself in those circumstances?

SPEAKER_01

And that's a prayer I feel like God will answer. If you say, God, where can I interact with people who don't know you? I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure God's gonna answer that prayer every time. Yeah. Because that's what he wants. Right. The harvest is plentiful, the workers are few. Why would he not answer that prayer? That's his heart.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, it aligns with his will. You can be confident of that. Right.

My Four As A Daily Prompt

SPEAKER_00

Well, and I think that sometimes you're in a stage of life where that's very much the case. I mean, I find with myself, particularly right now. So my kids are all grown. So I'm not, I'm no longer meeting moms outside of the school waiting to walk my kids home. I'm not involved in a mom's play group or something. The people that I know are here at church where I am involved, or where I work, which is conveniently here at church. And so it is a very um similar style of people that I'm surrounded with in my day-to-day. And so, yeah, fight figuring out where I can be put in a situation where I'm exposed to new people because it's easy to say, huh, all my friends know Jesus. Looks like I'm done. God, find somebody else. So thinking of that and the idea of country club Christianity, how does my four help us with this? The whole idea of my four with identify, include, invite.

SPEAKER_03

Come up with four. You need to move it. So that might be the light on your dashboard if you're like, I don't even know if I can think of four people. Okay, well, what are you gonna do about that then? And then I think just keeping in mind, like, um, so we have all of these, these steps, right? It's not just invite isn't the one and only step. So how am I, okay? So now I've got these four. Now I'm really gonna start praying into these situations and saying, Lord, what do you have for this person? I know, I know you want to draw everyone to yourself. And so, what kind of circumstances are you gonna present to me where I can be talking to this person and then just put in my mind, what are good ways that I can include them, right? Even before I invite. So I think for me, it's just much more of a mental prompt of like, hey, you need to find these people, and then what's that next step? It's in your face.

SPEAKER_01

Agree. Agree. Um, I it was funny because I still have my card from the last time we did this with my four people on it. And I was literally, I'm like, one of the ladies I had on there was another mom from the softball team where we were spending, you know, yeah, countless hours, 20 hours at a softball field on a weekend together. And softball's done. So I'm like, oh, you know, maybe the Lord is gonna give me. New name. She called me the next day. Oh, I hadn't heard from her. You know, we'd kind of missed each other, tried to get together, it never worked out. And I was like, wow. And she was like, Can I call you? And I was like, Of course you can call me. Yes. So it just was like, God's like, I'm so working. And if you're willing, you you can be a part of it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. So that was exciting.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I kind of had a similar circumstance with one of my four people from the last time that we did this, which was, I'm going to say maybe a year ago or close to a year ago, um, that I have continued to pray for, but just do not see on a regular basis the way we once did. And just kind of popped up out of the blue. They ran into someone I knew that mentioned it to me. And I was like, oh, I should reach out to them. And then my got busy, put it off, didn't do it. The next day, oh, I should, I should really send them a text. Got busy, put it off. You know, it was two or three days. And when I texted them, they said, Oh my gosh, I've been thinking about like basically the same thing. I've been thinking about texting you the last few days and just got busy, you know. Yeah. Now, who knows, you know, if it's gonna lead to an invitation this time, but it's still that connection and touching base of where God hasn't given up on that. He's still working in that situation. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, you think about Greg's story, it's like 30 years later. Yeah. Right. And he had just planted the seed. It wasn't like he even took it across the finish line.

SPEAKER_01

Right. I have a friend whose son is in high school and she's just distraught because he's just been telling her, like, I'm not sure if I have the same faith you do. I don't, I don't know if I believe in God the way you do. And she'll message me just in tears. She's like, What do I do? And I just every time she's called me, I've just felt prompted to be to just encourage her that God is God's in the long game. Like it would be great if I had just the perfect little paragraph to say to her and she could repeat it to her son, and then bam, he would, oh, actually, I do believe, you know, but that's not real life. And one quote, I she said I sent it to her, I don't remember it, but said, like, don't pray away your child's testimony. And and that really stuck with her because, you know, the Lord wants us, wants our children to have their own faith. And they, and and that, and that means believing because God has moved in their life, not because God moved in mom's life.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so, you know, I tried to encourage her like this might be a few years. We don't know, right? But God pursues his children day after day after day. Like he keeps pursuing us till the very end.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01

And I told, you know, I just tried to say, you love your son, Jesus loves him way more. So yeah, it's good.

The Lake House Key Metaphor

SPEAKER_00

I just talking about my four, I want to remind our listeners that they can go to the app or to the website and enter their four people, and we will send you reminders or tips or just you know, those nudges to reach out to them. So it's not always all on you. We can help you remember. It's good. So, this sermon, um, Greg talked about Ron's Lake House key as a metaphor for God's invitation. How does this image impact your understanding of God's invitation to us and others?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, what a gracious gift. What a kindness. What a what a show of trust. Right? Come into my home anytime that you want. And really, God's handing that key to us for us to give to somebody else. And he's saying, I'm trusting you enough to do a good job with this key. Um, and will you share this key? And so just thinking about the graciousness of just being handed a key at all, and then being entrusted to share that key with someone else is just a beautiful thing. And I have a tendency to hold on to stuff that's precious to me. Um but Jesus is never like that. He's always got open hands um for the good things that he wants to give us. So let's be about our master's work and follow his example.

SPEAKER_01

And no, like I was thinking about you jumping in the cold lake. Like, even if the worst thing happens where someone says, Nope, I'm not interested, or ignores you, you've been obedient to your cause. Yeah. And you know, God entrusts us, I feel like, with more when we're obedient in the small things, it avails us to be given more. Yeah, for sure. So I love that. Yeah.

Messy People Can Invite Boldly

SPEAKER_00

I like the idea of with the lake house of just letting them know they're always welcome, not just this time or next time. And I don't have to be there, but you're always welcome in the idea of that. God is always waiting for you, no matter where you are at in your life. And I think of um 10 years ago, or not quite 10 years ago, when my divorce was final and I changed um the locks on my house and my garage code key, you know, now you give people your garage code. You don't hand out keys to your house like when I grew up. And I can remember sitting and thinking, okay, who are the few people that I want to have this garage code? Because I want to restrict that access as much as possible. You know, the this is my little place of safety. And I think here of this guy just giving a key, you know what I mean? Yay, I'm whatever, come whenever, you know, just leaving the door open, basically. Um, yeah, how inviting is that? Oh, Lord, keep working on me. He is. Yeah. All right. Can you reflect on the idea that messy people can become bold inviters? And how does this change your perspective on sharing your faith? And Greg kind of talked about this when he was talking about the woman at the well. Um, but how can messy people become bold inviters?

SPEAKER_01

I love that scripture.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, just that he entrusted, you know, a woman who'd had, you know, a difficult past. And I don't know if you guys have heard this, but I heard there was a chance that she had five different husbands because of infertility.

SPEAKER_03

Not interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Not because of, you know, um, I don't know, sin. I don't know. But back then it was such a high priority to have a child. And if she was infertile, then a man might be more willing to leave her. But we don't know. We don't know. But Jesus knew her past, and there was something, there was a purpose why he chose her. And um, and he didn't give her a long list of things to do. He didn't, you know, give her requirements. He, it was simple instructions. And whenever I felt a nudge from the Lord, it's always been that way. It's simple, short, it's not a lot, it's go, do, say, follow. And she obeyed. And so many, you know, came to the Lord that day. And I can't imagine that turning point in her life. And it's recorded for all of history now because not only did Jesus pick her, but he wanted all of us to know he picked her. So I love that scripture.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. One of my favorite things is when I'm invited over to someone's house and it's messy. I really love it because I realize they really just wanted to hang out with me. This wasn't an opportunity for them to showcase their home or to be impressive. They are like, here's my true self. And I just want to spend time with you. I just found I always found that to be tremendously freeing. I was like, this makes me feel great. And it wasn't because it was like, oh, like it was saying anything. What it was just saying was, I want to be with you. So I think the same kind of that same concept of like, look, my my personal Julie house isn't all cleaned up, not my physical home, but me myself. I'm a messy person. But I want to, I care about you enough. I want to be with you enough. I want you to know my Jesus enough that here it is. And I think there's just something tremendously awesome for the other person as well. You don't have to be amazing either. We'll just both seek God together.

SPEAKER_01

Dang, you can come to my house anytime now.

SPEAKER_00

I think I feel like I've shared this story here on the podcast, but I can't remember when, of when my son was in preschool. There was another mom. Oh, yes, we were together. Were we together? And she invited me over to her house. And I'm sitting there, like there are Cheerios on the floor, a pile of glitter in the carpet, halfway in the air vent. And I remember looking around and being like mortified. Not because I felt like, oh my gosh, this is dirty or unclean. She was the most welcoming person ever. The most, here I am, take it or leave it, you know. But mortified thinking how prideful I was about my home before I would invite someone. I would, I was just like, I would never, never invite someone over, especially new to this, you know, in my house. And she was just so comfortable in who she was. And this was her home. She had five children. Yeah. This is what my house looks like with five children. She she probably had cleaned a lot, actually. It was probably way worse. But I just love that idea that you don't have to it, you don't have to have it all together. Yeah, I mean, you can be really messy and still invite people into that. And sometimes it's more effective than when you're perfect, right? Inviting them into it. I completely authentic.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

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Yes.

Make It Easy And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_00

Greg talked about um we are not become, believe, belong, or believe, become, belong. We are belong, believe, then become. That we already belong. You don't have to check any boxes first. Yeah. I really like that. All right. As we wrap up today, what are your final takeaways from this message?

SPEAKER_03

Just be bold to invite and to trust Jesus with the results. And the more we walk in step with him, like Kate said, the more he'll entrust to us and the more he'll reveal his heart to us. And so it's a way of getting to know him better, too. Like how far you can go with your trust and how great his provision is all the time. So really, there's just happy vistas ahead whenever we place our trust in Jesus.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And I think when you're inviting, it makes a difference to say, hey, would you like to come to church this Sunday? Or to say, would you like to sit with me at church this Sunday? Because I think for someone who's not attending, it can be really intimidating to walk into a place. You know, maybe you meet them in the parking lot, maybe you pick them up, even better. But figure out what will what you can do to make them feel more comfortable.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_00

Mine is just the really invite now. You don't have to get it together before you invite somebody into it. Just come. Just come. Just invite them. Just come. Yeah. Great. All right. Thank you, ladies, for being here. Next week, we are finishing up week four of Love Instoppable with the Inspire. Talking about inspiring our my four. Kate's doing just fingers, fingers. Until then, let's keep living our faith beyond Sunday.

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