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Beyond Sunday
Honor Code - Week 3
In this Beyond Sunday episode, the King of Kings Northwest Campus team joins Dina to talk about what it really looks like to honor others in a world quick to criticize. From seeing people through God’s eyes to choosing dignity over gossip, the conversation challenges us to live out Romans 12:10 and bring honor back into our everyday relationships.
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Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings podcast, where we dive a little bit deeper into our message series and talk about what we're taking Beyond Sunday. My name is Dena Newsom and I'm here today with some of our amazing staff from our Northwest campus.
Speaker 2:Whoop, whoop whoop, I'm clam hoggard. I'm clam hoggard, that's uh. So we are recording this in the midst of Vacation, bible school week and my name's Peter Bay Campus director at King's Northwest, but this week I am playing the role of Clam hoggard. Hillbilly, from Alabama, who moved to the true north To get away from people, is now stealing all the kids coats, unless they reach their goal. So hopefully they do, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2:Otherwise I'll steal all their coats. To get away from people is now stealing all the kids' coats unless they reach their goal, so hopefully they do, it's going to be great. Otherwise I'll steal all their coats. That's how it works.
Speaker 3:And I just have one name, it's Kate Silberg, and I am the associate campus director, also at the Northwest Campus.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad you guys could be here today.
Speaker 2:Kate, you stealing any coats?
Speaker 3:No, I teach a Bible story, so there's no stealing involved in my role.
Speaker 2:Wow, your role sounds pretty holy to me.
Speaker 3:So holy.
Speaker 2:So holy you teach them God's word, and I'll steal their coats. There you go.
Speaker 1:Amen, we offer the full package here at King of Kings. Dina, you're out at.
Speaker 2:King of Kings Northwest this summer too. Large group leading how?
Speaker 1:are you feeling about it? Yeah, I love it. I love VBS. It's my favorite time of year, so it's great to come out there, and now you have your new wonderful facility done. Last summer we were still under construction out there.
Speaker 2:So it's really nice to be there and everything's finished and beautiful. The sound is impeccable, it is. There's one little girl who came up to me at day one and she goes do you not really know jesus? She was traumatized very earnestly. She asked me that and I'm in character, so it's like what do you do?
Speaker 2:yeah, like I've said as a character, I did not know jesus right, and so they're trying to teach me. So I just looked at her and I said, would you tell me about him? And she said, oh yeah, I will. So it's been a great week.
Speaker 1:The Faith of.
Speaker 2:Kids is really amazing. Terrific Tiny missionaries.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So this Sunday we were lucky enough to celebrate Father's Day at all of our campuses, and so my opening question to you guys is what is like a standout memory of fatherhood, whether it is your father, um, you know, yeah, for you, peter, being a father like what's just a uh memory that goes with fatherhood, that stands out to you.
Speaker 2:Oh boy. Um, yeah, I mean my dad. I mean my dad worked hard in his job. He was a sheet metal worker. He came home tired off and he still coached our sports and was very faithful to come to church and usher and help where he could, and so seeing his faithful example is awesome, I think. For me, fatherhood is like I told the church on Sunday. We sat down Saturday evening to have a serious conversation because summer's a mess and the Bay House is unraveling, and so I said, hey, we're done blaming each other. I said I want each of you to think of one thing that you can do to help the family. And our littlest gives a good answer. And then the older ones are just like I could punch my siblings, you know it didn't go well.
Speaker 2:And so fatherhood, oh my gosh, I think parenthood, but fatherhood of like, trying to lead and being like I have have a valiant idea and it's hard, but yeah, just trying to be intentional to see the kids each time we're with them and to like talk to them individually and that kind of stuff. It's just learning and I think fatherhood's also changed a bit over the last 20 to 30 years of like my dad. When I was little I rarely ever said I love you. Those kind of things Gave hugs Didn't really do that. Nowadays that's much more accepted, which I think when you talk to people our age they say well, I know my dad loved me, he just didn't say it too often, or at all type thing.
Speaker 2:So trying to speak those words into my kids is something that's different with fatherhood now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was blessed to grow up with a great dad too, and he was at Northwest on Sunday and I gave him a shout out from the stage, which I'm pretty sure like-.
Speaker 2:Did you talk to him about that at all?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he didn't say much about that, but my mom was very proud of what I said because I said he was the best dad in all the universe. I think I said that as exact words. But yeah, he was great growing up, Same kind of as Peter's. My dad worked a ton, but I remember on Saturdays he would give my mom to go, to give a pass to her to go shopping wherever she wanted, and he'd stay home with us and before she came home we would disguise ourselves, stay home with us, and before she came home we would disguise ourselves so we'd like cut out mustaches and glasses and big eyebrows, so like she wouldn't be able to find us when she got home. So I mean the things my dad came up with, they were pretty good.
Speaker 2:What a dude that's hilarious.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was fun. He was a great dad.
Speaker 2:How about you, Dina?
Speaker 1:My best memories of my dad is just how strong of a faith leader he was in our household. My generation of growing up. My dad worked, he was not home a lot, he was gone and it was the oh wait till your father gets home kind of generation. But he was always so strong in his faith and that was such a valuable thing for him to pass along to us and it was important that we were involved in church and that we prayed together. And I think that there are a lot of families now where I think sometimes the mother has to take the point in that because it's not as easily accepted to take the point in that because it's not as easily accepted. I don't know whether that's a culture thing or just a time thing or what, but I just my father was definitely my mom was a great woman of faith, but my father was definitely the leader of our household in that and still is, like to this day, still checks on me, checks on my kids. That we're all you know.
Speaker 1:Hey, did you go to church this week? What'd you learn this week? Hey, you spending some kids. That were all you know. Hey, did you go to church this week? What'd you learn this week. Hey, you spending some time in the word, you know that kind of thing and I just love that about him. Sweet, yeah, all right, so we are in week three of Honor Code and Pastor Greg Griffith did the message this week. So what really spoke to you guys? What? What are you taking beyond Sunday from this week's message?
Speaker 2:I mean Greg said, like if you hear one thing, and one thing only, it was essentially like Jesus loves you and died for you, amidst your skeletons, like amidst the things that, and that's why, because of our sin, jesus came, he died, we're redeemed, and even as a Christian who's grown up with that my whole life hearing that, like I still need to hear that. And I didn't know what he was going to say when he said if you hear one thing, I thought it could have been like to honor your family or like something like that.
Speaker 2:And then it was just like the gospel, and I found myself being like I needed to hear that again today, because, regardless how many times I hear it, I need to be reminded of it. So that stood out to me.
Speaker 3:I just I kind of had forgotten that part of the story of Noah, when he had too much wine and his boys reacted in different ways, and I just feel like that's a choice we have probably daily. You hear of either someone's mistake or someone's mishap and it's like oh, did you hear the? Tea, you know, look at dad in the cave. Or can we cover this up to minimize the fallout, and so I've been thinking a lot about that.
Speaker 1:That was the same thing for me, really, where he talked about that. Now, the culture tends to be exposing flaws but honor is covering things with dignity. That was what's been bonking around in my brain, yeah.
Speaker 3:And the way they backed up into the cave so they didn't even look at his nakedness Impressive. I hope my kids would do that. Who knows, though, yikes.
Speaker 2:I mean I feel like, as I mean I don't want the listeners to all think of their parents naked here, but I mean that's not something that any of us really want to see. So I feel like that was a genius way to do this and I could picture like my siblings doing this and be like oh, don't look at him Go backwards.
Speaker 3:Cover your eyes. Are you covered?
Speaker 2:And I've always wondered, like, like, did ham get in trouble for it, or it?
Speaker 3:does I?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't remember, yeah, and and I guess, uh, I've like always wondered did he do that and did he tell his brothers in a rude way? I know like that's that's what I've heard several times with preachers is like ham was, he was being a, not doing it well, and the other brothers showed honor and that was like the point and it's a great point. But I've always wondered like maybe this was new for him and he's like what in the world?
Speaker 1:Right so shocked.
Speaker 2:Also, I don't know how old they were in this. This was post-flood right.
Speaker 1:Not when you got me Okay, I don't know how old they were in this.
Speaker 2:This was post-flood right, Not when you got me. Okay, I don't know yeah. I'm going to have to look later, yeah check it out If you're at home, scholar this up.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:But like I think it's post-flood. So if these are older bros, if they're older, married with kids, well then it's like that makes a lot of sense that they ought to be responsible with it. If they're younger, then it's just like oh my goodness, that's totally nanky.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mass chaos.
Speaker 1:So now Greg talked a little bit about, like, the biblical definition of honor. What does it mean to honor someone according to that biblical definition? What? What did you guys think of that? What? What did you take away from that? What spoke to you there?
Speaker 2:Did you write it down?
Speaker 3:Well, I what I remember was you're treating them as if you were treating Jesus. Yeah, Hopefully that's the right answer.
Speaker 2:So what was the question again?
Speaker 3:Can you tell we've been at VBS all morning.
Speaker 1:Well, clem Right. What does it mean to honor someone according to the biblical definition, where we're treating them Holy smokes as if we're treating our Savior?
Speaker 2:Right Right, treating them holy as if we're treating our savior right right. Would I gossip about my savior? Would I tease about my savior? Would I make jokes about my savior? I um, now, if he's my best friend, there would be some things that I would say that are on limits to tease about. Like, if, like. If jesus had like really tiny calves, like I might still be like man. Jesus got some chicken legs. That bro did you see when he was walking on water I don't know if you would say that.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I believe.
Speaker 2:I don't think you would jesus, and jesus would be like he'd be. He'd laugh and he'd be like these licks kept me on the cross and I'd be like you're right.
Speaker 1:Discussion over I'll go sit down now.
Speaker 2:Yes, so, but honestly I think, yeah, it would remove gossip, it would remove any of those even. I think the thinking would change of the people around me. So, yeah, that's big.
Speaker 1:I think that's really like kind of the culture shift that Greg was talking about. You know, we've become so accustomed to that being commonplace that we're not honoring of each other. We are, you know, chiding each other or, you know, making light of chicken legs or whatever it may be. Like I said, exposing flaws versus covering with dignity. How are we doing that?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's, that's a heavy at the beginning of the message. Uh, greg was talking about like, how, like rejecting the stereotypes on tv shows and stuff like that. How did that hit you guys? He talked about, like, um, how they make dads to look so unintelligent on TV shows. How did that hit you? I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like I understood it. I don't feel like the shows that I watched really portrayed that a lot. And maybe it was just in different shows. Well, the one show that I can really think of that I did watch, that was like that was married with children A little. Al Bundy was like totally clueless you know what I mean, and that was yes, the whole family was like that was the whole family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty, dishonor each other altogether.
Speaker 1:But I grew up a lot on. Now this may be, you know, a tab up with cosby show like that was a family sitcom we would watch and I know, I know cosby is canceled now, which that's.
Speaker 1:You know not to condone any of that, but I grew the cosby show as a whole. Dad was not clueless in that show, like he was very much an advocate for his kids and wanting to teach them and discipline them when needed and lead them in the right direction. That's more of the style that I remember watching and so I didn't really relate a lot to some of the. I guess Homer Simpson I've watched the Simpsons so that one I could relate a little bit to.
Speaker 2:Sure Kate.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's a hit or miss, whether it sinks in or not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think I could really relate too much of it. I remember watching Family Ties and they were all pretty wholesome. The dad was kind of similar to Cosby Show.
Speaker 1:Growing Pains.
Speaker 3:Did you watch Growing Pains too? They were pretty wholesome too.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I'm like, I mean, these are the tropes that are funny.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Like if we want to show that's funny, it's like if the dad's always got it together. I mean Cosby did it well, I guess I mean and dad blunders sometimes, mom blunders sometimes, guess I mean and dad blunders sometimes, mom blunders sometimes. So yeah, I mean the consistent, the consistent blundering dad. But I, I look at like my marriage. If there's one of us is gonna blunder, it's not gonna be carista. So I'm like as, as a dad with a penchant for ridiculousness, like I, I guess I see the point that greg was going to make and like the wife is the one that holds everything together and the dad's getting stuck in the blinds.
Speaker 2:you know get in here, you know whatever and just making dads to look ridiculous and stupid is is something you'd want to reject, because we do need men to be leaders in our homes and our churches and our communities. Um, but I, I don't know, the dumb day. I kind of enjoy it on tv.
Speaker 3:Makes me feel better about myself I guess there's a time and a place isn't that what entertainment is supposed to do?
Speaker 1:give you a little step away from reality, maybe. I suppose yeah, if it gets a fine line, though, then when it becomes cultural and the illustration that Greg shared with a nephew flipping his dad the bird you know, that.
Speaker 2:well, now, this is reality, yep. And is that taught by what he's watching? I'm I'm sure it's part of it. So, yeah, there's credence to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, leading right into my next question, how does Pastor Greg relate the concept of honor with the culture that we live in? We touched base a little bit on it with what you said. Kate. Talked about exposing flaws versus covering with dignity. What do you guys think of? Where do you see honoring in our culture, Like, where do you see the lack of it right now, on a regular basis?
Speaker 3:Man, the news is rough lately. It's hard for me to watch. I watch it in small clips but it's definitely. What can you reveal? What's the worst you can reveal about somebody and then spill it to the millions. So I mean, I guess I've always just thought about, like, what's my sphere of influence, which is usually my children, my coworkers, my friends, and so sometimes it's just a comment where you can turn the conversation in a different direction, and sometimes that's all. That's all you can bring to the table, you know, and it really can turn the whole conversation. So it's valuable, I think. Enter in the whole conversation.
Speaker 2:So it's valuable, I think. Yeah, I guess the recommendations I would give is one do what you can to get off of social media. Do what you can to stop watching the news. And if and if you, if that's just part of your routine of social media and news and you're like, nope, we can't do that. This is what I do. Watch it with a critical lens of like who is honoring on here and what is not. Or maybe keep an honor and a dishonor tracker and tally it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then say is this good for me? Because if I spend more time on social media and the news cycle than I do talking to people face to face, I know that I'm going to see more dishonor than actually have a chance to impact people positively around me. And then the other thing I would say is similar to what Kate said. I remember teaching back in the day I taught junior, high and high school and kids just loved to trash on other kids, and so did teachers. They loved to trash on other teachers and students at times because it can get frustrating. And I had a coworker named Steve and Steve he had this thing he did.
Speaker 2:And I remember teachers were talking bad about a kid. I'll give the kid the name Paul, and it wasn't actually Paul, but they were just saying oh, paul's just, he's driving me nuts in class and he's doing this and he's doing that, whatever. And whenever Steve would walk up and hear people talking like that, he would say are you guys talking about Paul? I love Paul. Paul's a child of God, paul's an amazing kid and he would just get all positive. And then everyone had to stop talking negative and he was honoring in a very dishonoring situation and people like it became a joke. Like well, here comes positive Steve. You know he's going to be all positive again, but it's like how awesome, right, if you's going to be all positive again, but it's like how awesome, right, if you're going to have a nickname.
Speaker 2:Right. And the reality is like, steve has his challenges too and he's not always positive, but in those instances he was great at just refocusing it and helping us realize oh yeah, I'm being dishonoring right now and this is not helpful for Paul or for myself or anyone in this situation.
Speaker 1:Right, you have a thing, peter, that you talk about before you say something. Is it helpful? Is it true?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, this is. John Acuff wrote a book called Soundtracks. It's a very easy read. I recommend it for anyone because it just reframes the way that we think. We have a tendency to ruminate negative things in our mind. That's the natural thing to do. You can have 20 people say, wow, you were great today, and one person say I didn't like the way you talked to me. And that's what we're going to think about all day long. Oh, they didn't like the way they talked to me. They don't like me? Oh no. And if it's someone important to me, like, are they not going to talk to?
Speaker 1:me anymore.
Speaker 2:Are they going to affect my life? Oh no, and we'll repeat those things in our mind. And whether we're saying them out loud or repeating things in our mind, the questions that Soundtracks tells you to ask yourself is this true, is it helpful, is it kind? And if the answer is no to at least two of those, then remove that statement that you're saying out loud or saying in your head. Replace it with something that's true and as Christians, we can replace it with things like I'm a child of the Most High King, I am loved and redeemed by Jesus Christ. You know all those statements and repeat those. What would that do to ourselves and the people around us if that's what we were filling ourselves up with?
Speaker 2:versus what the media wants us to hear.
Speaker 1:Right, exposing those flaws. That's a much better line of thought. Yeah, can you think of a time where you had an experience where you covered something with honor or you changed that the conversation or the dynamic, or you had a personal experience with the situation? I can.
Speaker 1:For me, I there's someone that's close to me in my life that it has struggled with alcoholism for a long time, and so there gets to be the dynamic of their interactions with other people where it turns a lot of negative comments about oh well, I think they were drunk again, or this influenced how they interacted in this situation, and that becomes the dynamic that's talked about, and that's not all of who that person is.
Speaker 1:And so for me, that's something where I intentionally have to be cautious what I say in relation to that, because it is a recognizable part of that person's life and how myself, my family, my friends interacts with that person. But how can we still be honoring to them? Because that is not all of who they are. They are still a child of God, they are still someone we love and care about, they are still someone that we want the best for, and so that's what I thought of when Greg asked that question, kind of how does this hit in your personal life? And that's what I thought of, how I tried to be honoring of that person in those situations, even when it may be a struggle to talk about it in a positive way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember being a teacher and every year some kids were easier to work with than others. That's just how it is every year. But one thing that helped me was remembering how God's mercies are new every morning. So, no matter what happened the day before, we started fresh every morning. So I would say good morning and I would not. You know it was new. Whatever happened yesterday was done. We're moving forward, and so it was just like a small way to start our relationship again each morning, and the right track. So that's what helped me get through.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:First off, this is a question that really sets us up to look great. Thank you for honoring us with this question, because I think I expose more often than cover people, and so, yeah, I just want to admit that first, a couple ways. One, when I go out to eat, I try to honor my servers by learning their names, by speaking kindly, by thanking them, even maybe ask a couple questions, hear a little bit of their story, while trying to allow them to still do their job efficiently. And then another way that I try to do this is, I mean, fatherhood.
Speaker 2:I talked about how my kids I have a seven, nine and eleven year old and they can be at each other's throats constantly. You know, like someone benton was telling somebody I'm going to camp this summer, and the girls got all excited. They're like, how long is the camp? Is it a week? And he's like, oh yeah, I think so. And my, the girls were like what? They're so excited because their brother's gonna be gone for a week and he's actually might only be like four or five days, and they're like, oh, disappointing. And so it's just this constant theme of like the kids just not dishonor, just dishonor each other constantly. And at night, I always try to pray for the kid I'm with, as well as their siblings, and thank god for their siblings, um. So they hear that, that I thank god for them, that I'm their daddy and um, and also for their siblings. This over and over and over again, hoping that at some point it'll sink in it will.
Speaker 2:We'll all come together.
Speaker 3:It will.
Speaker 1:You're in the thick of it, Yep you are.
Speaker 1:So how can we reclaim honor in a dishonored culture, like, how do we intentionally spend time building each other up? Intentionally spend time building each other up? Or, you know, can you think of ways that you are honoring in your family, in your friend group, like Greg talked about, how he tries to be intentional about, like, how he talks about his spouse or how he talks, you know, about his children, just like you were just talking, peter. What are ways you can think of that we in our daily lives can try to reclaim honor in that way?
Speaker 3:Well, the right answer is always Jesus. Right, I think? Especially in the culture, like what's happening around the world, you know, are there going to be wars? People get worked up and they put others down when they think their ideas are right. How can this group be doing this? This is the right way, and it's really hard to go down that path if you're keeping your eyes focused on Jesus. We have no idea. You know what's going to happen politically, but we do know what's going to happen spiritually, and Jesus has laid it all out. We know how the story ends and it's never divisive to show people the love of Jesus. So is that the right answer? Bingo, jesus.
Speaker 1:That's the right answer, that's right. Sunday school teachers all over the place answer Bingo Jesus. That's the right answer, that's right.
Speaker 2:Sunday school teachers all over the place Rejoice, you did it. Yeah, I think we've given examples of this right and if we see people created in the image of God, that changes the way that we treat them. That changes the way that we treat them and um, and also to don't like I've other examples or ways to say this would be like to know that everybody is somebody's baby, right.
Speaker 2:And so when I'm driving by, my kids ask me questions about the, the homeless man who's asking for things on the side of the street, instead of just being like, well, you, you know, they made some bad decisions and now they're on the street and they're homeless and blah, blah, blah, is to like, think about it, like, okay, this is somebody's baby who birthed this child and really believed and hope for the best in that kid and maybe prayed for them every night. And, um, so, seeing people that way and, uh, then, talking to my kids that way to not disparage the people, even people that may be rude to say you know what? Who knows what's going on with them today or with them in their life, and trying to hold people in a better light or give them a benefit of the doubt, even when they don't do that to you, yeah.
Speaker 1:One way I know I really tried to do this with my kids when they were younger was how we talked about teachers, because my kids would come home and you're both teachers, so you know my kids would come home oh, I hate this teacher, or this teacher's so mean, or this teacher's so this, whatever it is, and I would really focus on OK, well, that's not all of who they are and what's the intention of whatever behavior it is that you don't like this teacher's so mean because they're cracking down on this in their classroom.
Speaker 1:Well, why do you think that is? And trying to get them to understand that people don't go into teaching to discipline kids. They go into teaching because they want to help kids, they want to empower them and encourage them, and so your teacher wants this. But they need to do X, y, z in order to make the classroom run more efficiently, in order to accomplish your goals as a team, in order to get everyone on the same page and I just remember trying to really teach them honoring their teacher in the position, even if they didn't like this particular rule or whatever it was, and sometimes it went over really well and sometimes it was like a lead balloon, but it's like all parenting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you never know what's going to stick. When so Greg mentioned the Bible verse Romans 12.10, which says be devoted to one another in love, honor one another above yourselves, how does that verse speak to you? Or do you guys have a time in your life where that really played a part or you referenced that verse or anything along that? Romans 12, 10, sorry, be devoted to one another in love, honor one another above yourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I think of devoted be devoted to one another in love I think about like really being for them and being having an intentional drive to be present, be present, and for me this is um I talked about it last time I was on this podcast. I believe like, uh, there are times that I am not energized. Naturally, I'm a very energized and present person, but there are times when I'm not.
Speaker 2:And uh, and I talked about how I saw a buddy of mine, an old buddy, at a basketball game and I was just not feeling, I was just tired and whatever, and I felt bad about it and that's okay, it's okay to not always be energized and on. But then it's like, well, I should do something about that when I do feel it like, and so I called him and we had a fantastic conversation and I was so glad I did. Next time I see him, and we had a fantastic conversation and I was so glad I did. Next time I see him, we're gonna laugh and joke and whatever, um, and so like, intentionally following up to like see and notice the people around me, uh, and if I'm not feeling it, it's okay. But uh, then to do something, um later or just acknowledge hey, sorry, I wasn't too energized today, I'm just tired, because people get it, they feel it too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I just think about you know, there's certain people. When I'm around them, it's almost like they're a breath of fresh air and the atmosphere feels light and I walk away feeling better about who I am and that's the kind of person I want to be like, because that's a joy to be around, and so that's what I think of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's nice. So, as we wrap up today, do you guys have any final thoughts? From this week three of honor code Got one more week in this series.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm excited for the final week, getting into the different generations Because, like, that is something that kind of drives me nuts, especially with the younger generations. I can kind of rip on my own generation because it's my people, you know, but like when we rip on the younger generations and we feel hopeless about it, I'm excited. Or the other way, like, oh, those boomers, it's like, oh, my goodness. I mean each one of these is a child of the most high king. So I'm excited to hear what Zach brings with that talk. But yeah, I really appreciate the way that Greg approached it and the skeletons and Jesus loves us regardless of that was good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of want to forget about that skeleton, but it is a visual I'll remember and I will remember him choosing to take out the cross. That was powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you didn't watch the sermon or weren't there to witness it, you should go back and watch the recording, because there was a visual element of it.
Speaker 3:Yes, there was Skeletons in our closet, yep.
Speaker 1:God takes all that and changes it, reflects it to the cross.
Speaker 3:There, you go yeah.
Speaker 1:So, Peter, do you have a song for us?
Speaker 2:today. Not a song today, but I think that Clem oh, Clem has a parting. Would like to close us out.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm all for it. Clem Hoggard, right here on Beyond Sunday.
Speaker 2:Clem Hoggard, everybody. I was born and raised in Alabama. I had 12 siblings, and boy were we poor, and sometimes it was easy to get angry with our siblings. But I've learned through this message on Sunday that I need to honor, even if I feel like a goner being chased by a moose in the holler, that I need to honor. Even if I feel like a goner being chased by a moose in the holler, I need to honor. And so you too, you can honor, be devoted to one another, as Roman said, and keep living like what Sunday you heard. What you heard on Sunday matters Monday and the rest of the week. Go get them.
Speaker 1:And I'll see you next Sunday.
